I met this young lady in North West London, she loves to play the guitar which was my passion too, after we had exchanged some stories and experiences about our music, I shared the gospel with her and told her the Good news of the kingdom, how much God loves and her and sacrificed to make sure she had eternal life in her spirit and citizenship of the kingdom of heaven.
She proceeded to inform me that she is a lesbian, and that she hates it when Christians are preaching hate against them when it was God himself that made them that way.
I smartly side stepped the usual minefields of debate about "Christians" condemning lesbians and gays, by letting her know that the standard is Love for the sinner but hatred of the sin. Sin is a bent of desire and nature, a twisted-ness that makes us desire and do what is not convenient and is destructive to our own lives.
I let her see that God and the believers in him are not the bad guys, he is the lover on a rescue mission to save us from a certain end, a pre-negotiated verdict of death and eternal separation from him, he is trying to rescue us from our selves and the sentence of death! Real believer are just trying to let people know that there is an alternative lifestyle to sin, powered by a righteous nature in Christ Jesus
I explained to her that the manifestation of the sin nature is all manner of lawlessness and evil desires, sexual perversion is just one of many symptoms of our doomed nature just as drunkenness, murder and witchcraft is.
She saw that the WAGES of sin is death, but the FREE gift of God is eternal life
We then went further to have the discussion below about her "gayness" (I use KK represent the dear lady in the conversation)
KK"Why would God say that homosexuality is wrong when he made some people that way"
Pastor B"God did not make people that way, he made people, then people made a choice to be that way"
KK"That cannot be, I didn't choose my desires, that is the way I found myself"
Pastor B "Sin bends our lusts and makes our palates desire the worst things for our lives making us crave for cigarettes, alcohol, calories, drugs, illicit sex that we know are bad for our health, so he didn't make us that way, he made us good and sin corrupted our desires, but we have power over our own choices, being tempted and giving in to temptation are two different things"
KK"My sexual orientation is not a choice, it is my nature"!
Pastor B"How could it be nature...When you couldn't even have sexual desires without your gonads (ovaries in women or testicles in men)? Oestrogen and testosterone are responsible for our sexual drive, thus the sex drive has two parts to it, the hormonal and the psychological" if it is hormonal and psychological then we are the ones who choose how we express and experience it"
KK"It could never be choice, I had nothing to do with the fact that I find other women attractive"
Pastor B" you are right that you had nothing to do with the temptation, but you had everything to do with choosing to give in to it, and whenever you give in to any craving it becomes stronger and becomes a stronghold! Temptation is not a sin, yielding to it is!
I am married but I have not lost the innate propensity to desire females, I still find that my body can be biologically attracted to other females, but I make a choice to keep my affections trained on my wife
Sex is an appetite, it should be managed consciously, just like the appetite to eat, go to toilet or sleep"
KK"How could sex be an appetite, sex should not be put in the same category as an appetite!"
Pastor B"But it is! an appetite is a sense of gratification, satisfaction and pleasure attached to an activity that makes you associate it with a "good feeling" so that your flesh (autopilot mind) can default to it and cooperate when there is NEED to repeat the action.
We taste, enjoy and desire food because God knows we need to eat for our bodies to survive, without the appetite to eat and the rewards of taste we may forget to eat and we will die
However, we do not eat any food we see when we are hungry, we see food on the dumps, on the floor, in restaurants, with our colleagues but we control our appetite and only eat when we THINK it is appropriate...the same goes for using the toilet and sleeping.
Sex is an appetite that is attached to the activity of procreation, procreation is the reason God invented sex and we are meant to enjoy it so we remember to always go back to our spouses and desire to procreate by remembering the pleasure. Sex is the act of covenant a man and his wife share, to demonstrate their intimacy and to procreate.
And just like we don't eat anything, sleep any where, pee and poo anywhere, we also have the responsibility to rein in our sexual desires and choose not to violate our bodies sexuality until we come into the covenant of marriage... desire is not an excuse for sin!"
KK"How can you say sex is an appetite and for procreation?"
Pastor B"So what do you think sex is for?"
Pastor B"Really?... Pleasure how"
KK"Pleasure with someone you love"
Pastor B"You probably meant 'pleasure with someone you desire'! Desire does not mean the same thing as Love.
However, it couldn't be just for pleasure, it is pleasureable for the reasons I stated earlier (so you remember the enjoyment and desire to continue) but is not defined by the pleasure"
KK"No No! I don't agree! Sex is the way two people show how they love one another, and it is solely for pleasure"
Pastor B"That is what you want to believe, but that is not the truth! Let me ask you a question"
Pastor B" You love your girlfriend and you have sex with her even though you are both female?"
Pastor B"Do you penetrate her with your penis?"
KK "I don't have one!"
Pastor B"So could she or yourself ever become pregnant from your intercourse"
Pastor B"Have you ever wondered why a woman has a vagina and man a penis"
Pastor B"Simple biology, the penis is a shaft to insert into an opening and a passage way to inject semen as close enough to a female ovary as possible to facilitate the process of Conception: fertilisation, gestation and birth of new human
So the vagina and penis are designed specifically for this purpose!"
KK She blinked hard several times, Looking confused, she said,
"you know, I would never have though of it that way"
Pastor B"I know...when you separate a thing from its original purpose, abuse is inevitable, any other use of our sexual organs, beyond what it it designed for is perversion"
KK "But, how can this be...If some of us are born to desire the same sex?"
Pastor B" you know KK, I saw in the news sometime ago, a man was caught making out with sheep! The cries of the unfortunate animal alerted the neighbours who called to police, only to find the man with his pants down having sex with the sheep"
KK With a look of pure disgust on her face she exclaimed "YYYYYYUUKKKKKK!!" "That is so disgusting, how could anyone do such a despicable thing" she blurted!
Pastor B"You know" I said with a smirk on my face " you shouldn't judge him, what if he claims that he was made that way too? What if he claims to have been born a Zoophile ?"
KK She turned red! Like a child caught stealing candy... She started to stammer "bbbut you can't compare that with being gay?"
Pastor B"Can you convince a Zoophile, Paedophile or polygamist that their own orientation is worse than yours?"
KK"I don't know! But it just cannot be the same"
Pastor B"You don't want it to be the same thing, but it doesn't remove the fact that homosexuality, Zoosexuality, paedosexuality, adultery, fornication and masturbation are all forms of perversion from the original purpose of sex, and they are sin that complicates our lives and the balance of society"
KK "So what should I do if I find myself with these desires, would God accept me?"
Pastor B"Yeah he will, he asks that we all come as we are, and accept his pardon receiving a new spirit that desires righteousness
When we come to him, we surrender our rebellious desires and we ask him for help with our learned addictions and he will always assist us to walk away from our propensity for sinful behaviour.
So he says "come as you are, but don't stay as you are" you must desire him and desire the change he offers, don't continue to hold on to sin as your nature, dump it! And let his own righteous nature take you over and cleanse your desires"
KK "So can I be a Christian and a lesbian at the same time"
Pastor B"No! You cannot be the two at the same time...you will be a Christian with a lesbian past, who still gets tempted to yield to the sin, but who is growing in her ability to say no to the sin consciously and continuously!
So we don't have lesbian or gay believers, we only have either believers who struggle with the sin or those who are not believers at all who are just plain sinners! The different is the one loves Jesus and the other love his sin, the one has accepted the lordship of Jesus, the other has chosen the lordship of satan through sin, the one is a recreated human spirit, the other is an unrecreated adamic nature in all its sinful glory "
ConclusionShe did say the sinners prayers, unfortunately I have not been able to locate her since 2007, I hope that the word that was sown in her heart will bear the fruit of righteousness
Eugene Adebayo Ajayi
a Servant of The Ekklesia
Posted: Sunday, 26th July 2015